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Kshatriya List

I've removed the whole section. Given that the vast majority of entries were "This group claiims membership, but independent sources say it wasn't, or was only partially"...what the heck use is that? We don't have a list somewhere of countries that claim to have been the greatest in the world (although, I suspect it's probably quite similar to List of countries). Since these reports fall under WP:BLPGROUP (in my opinion), I don't see why we would want anything other than the best possible sourcing. Qwyrxian (talk) 15:44, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Fine by me and, it would seem, the person who comments in the thread below this one. - Sitush (talk) 15:46, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
I don't agree with this solution, it is an easy one which support the pov of those who claim that there are only two castes: Brahmins & Shudras (which is a position supported & spread by (orthodox) Brahmins and often taken up by the British colonialists). I think the main pb comes from the definition of Kshatriya: Kshatriya = Warrior --> this is wrong ! and allows many communities to claim a Kshatriya status or origin. Kshatriya was just a term used to designate the aristocraty, nobility of the Hindu society, the ones who ruled the different kingdoms (and so, many of them were often involved in military activities as army commanders... And not simple soldiers !) and their descendants. Only lately Brahmins attempted to give a ritual status to that position in order to dominate it...And this is the other main pb: some support the view that only those who are ritually recognised as Kshatriyas by the Brahmins are genuine Kshatriyas. This does not correspond to historical reality and this view gives to Brahmins a position which they have not occupied before the Muslims & British invasions. Here is a ref: [1]: it is an old ref (with its colonnial pov) but regarding history of kshatriyas, it seems giving a neutral vision. I let you check. If we have to follow your action Qwy., we can remove this page entirely, this is the natural next step of such type of actions. I think by taking this action, you don't respect the neutral position of Wikipedia. If I don't make mistake, all the castes you have removed had a tradition of rulers and top military warriors (this is why I have not removed them myself whereas I have removed many others: Ahirs, Gujjars, Jats, Vanniyars, etc.). The fact that (most of tem) were not recognised as Kshatriyas by Brahmins is a fact but only a detail among others. Rajkris (talk) 22:29, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
I, for one, understand the situation and I know that you have long held concerns regarding Brahmin POV pushing. Unfortunately, you have not so far been able to provide support for your claims. I also know that you have been among those who have reverted contributions to the now-deleted list on numerous occasions, which you seem to accept were often down to what might arguably be described as pov-pushing from the "other side". And there is the rub: you appear to want to show one aspect but not another. Surely, you can accept that the list was doing more harm than good, if only in the sense of the disruption being caused by it? This is not an area of Wikipedia that gets a tremendous amount of oversight and so it becomes very difficult to deal with. This is not about Brahmin pov or any other pov; rather, it is about removing contentious content and what amounts to a honey-pot for random IP contributor etc.

Your logic fails when you think that the next step will be removal of the article. Why should you think that? The subject is notable even if some of the details (ie: at community level) are best deal with elsewhere. We also have Category:Kshatriya, although my bet is that a lot of the entries there are arguably inappropriate. Perhaps what we really need is Category:Communities claiming Kshatriya status? - Sitush (talk) 01:27, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately, you have not so far been able to provide support for your claims", please have a look on the ref: "It seems therefore that the ancient Kshatriyas like the more modern Rajput, was a social class to which all rulers in virtue of their sovereignty were recognised as belonging; and both Kshatriya and Rajput groups can, therefore, be described as 'essentially an occupationnal caste, composed of all clans following the Hindu rituals, who actually undertook the work of government'". What better ref can i give, tell me ???. This is the type of definition I use to check whether a caste can be added in this Kshatriya page.Rajkris (talk) 23:44, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
I don't understand why you undid the archiving here. This discussion isn't going on. The quote you have in boldface doesn't say that Rajput were Kshatriya; in fact, it very clearly lines them up as being not the same, because it refers to them as two distinct classes and places them in parallel. Qwyrxian (talk) 01:10, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, the discussion is still going on. You misunderstood, I'm not using this quote to equate Rajput with Kshatriya... I am using it for the definition of Kshatriya. My quote and my ref (book) clearly states that the Kshatriya is a social class to which all (Hindu) rulers were recognised as belonging. This is the (historical) definition of Kshatriya. Here is another ref: Kingship and community in early India By Charles Drekmeier page 82 [2]: "The very fact of governing was often enough to qualify the ruler as a kshatriya.".Rajkris (talk) 23:40, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
Oh gosh, I am involved in too many articles with disputed content at present and my brain hurts. Rajkris, can this be stayed for (say) a week or so? Obviously, if others want to respond then that is perfectly ok but I really need a bit of time right now. You can ping me on my talk page to remind me in a week. Sorry about this but I've got a lot going on both on and off Wikipedia and am not even keeping up with fixing the obvious problematic changes to articles that show up on my watchlist, let alone many of the talk pages. - Sitush (talk) 00:42, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
No pb. No hurry.Rajkris (talk) 22:51, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
This topic is still open. In order to update it & make it more clear, I am listing below the different refs I found. For your reminder, this topic has been opened after the removal of the list of former ruling castes; please see my first reply on this topic above which explain why I'm completely against this removal.
  1. The Caste System of Northern India by Sir Edward Blunt, page 26 [3]: "It seems therefore that the ancient Kshatriyas like the more modern Rajput, was a social class to which all rulers in virtue of their sovereignty were recognised as belonging; and both Kshatriya and Rajput groups can, therefore, be described as 'essentially an occupationnal caste, composed of all clans following the Hindu rituals, who actually undertook the work of government'"
  2. Kingship and community in early India By Charles Drekmeier page 82 [4]: "The very fact of governing was often enough to qualify the ruler as a kshatriya."
  3. Structure and Change in Indian Society by Milton B. Singer,Bernard S. Cohn, page 190 [5]: "Opportunities for seizing political power were more likely to be available to the leaders of dominant castes, and even tribes, than to others. This is why in South India dominant peasant castes such as the Marathas, Reddis, Vellalas, Nayars and Coorgs have been able to claim Kshatriyas status... Historically, the Kshatriya varna was recruited from a wide variety of castes all of which has one attribute in common that is, the possession of political power."
  4. The Camphor Flame: Popular Hinduism and Society in India by Christopher John Fuller, page 19 [6]:"... so that many kings historically proclaimed as Kshatriyas irrespective of their birth. In the varna hierarchy (as the Purusha sukta makes plain) and in Brahmanical ideology (as set out in dharmashastra texts), kshatriya kings are inferior to Brahmans... In the countryside, locally dominant castes enjoying prepondarant control over the land fequently identify themselves as Kshatriyas... The members of non-Brahman dominant castes tend to be ambivalent about Brahman claims to preeminence; usually they are not denied openly, but nor is made too much of them. A royal military model of status ranking is instead given prominence, and landholders demand and commonly receive due deference from their subordinates, often clients bound by political and economic ties."
  5. Medieval Indian Mindscapes: Space, Time, Society, Man by Eugenia Vanina, pages 128 to 140 [7]:"To sum up, the caste system has been a complex, multi-layered institutionn changing through many centuries and, it is important to add, not only temporarly but spatially.(...) And even in the 'classical Hindu' period (...) this hierarchy was far from rigid and eternally fixed structure imagined by the Orientalists. (...) The elite of agricultural and pastoral castes, traditionally identified as shudras, would rise to the level of petty and medium feudal lords, shun physical labour, acquire military skills and warrior mentality and begin to claim kshatriya status."
  6. India's Silent Revolution: The Rise of the Lower Castes in North India By Christophe Jaffrelot from page 151 [8]:
"This process (caste ethnicisation) was partly shaped by Europenan ideas, as propagated by the missionaries and the British schools. While castes have always been perceived in India as a kin groups, the racial dimension that caste tended to acquire in the nineteenth century derived from European interpretations of Indian society."
"Susan Bayly points out that 'many pre independence ethnogaphers' from Britain 'portrayed India as a composite social landscape in which only certain peoples, those of superior "Aryan" blood, had evolved historically in ways which left them "shackled" by a hierarchical, Brahmanically - defined ideology of "caste". At the same time large numbers of other Indians - those identified in varying racial terms as Dravidians, as members of "servile" classes, aborigines, wild tribes, and those of so-called "mixed" racial origins - were portrayed as being ethnologically distinct from this so-called Aryan population, and were not all thought to belong to a ranked Brahminical caste order.' In addition to the ethnographers, the British administration imbibed these Orientalist categories and propagated them in society. In 1886, the Governor of Madras, Mountstuart Elphinstone, in his address to graduates of the university of Madras emphatically declared: 'You are of pure Dravidian race. I should like to see the pre-Sanskrit element amongst you asserting itself rather more.' Gradually, Non-Brahmins and Dravidianism coincided and the low castes looked at themselves as forming an ethnic category."
"In other words, colonial ethnography was largely responsible for merging caste and race, and more precisely for equating the 'Aryans' with the upper castes and the Dravidians with lowest orders of the Indian society. This perception prepared the ground for the interpretation of castes"in ethnic terms outside the 'Aryavarta', the northern region where the Brahmanical pattern was supposed to have taken root. Indeed, this ethnicisation process was more prominent in western and southern India than in the North."
  1. Casting Kings : Bards and Indian Modernity: Bards and Indian Modernity By Jeffrey G. Snodgrass Associate Professor of Anthropology Colorado State University, page 55 [9]: "The varna scheme described by ancient Hindu texts provides for an idealized society. These texts thus help us to understand how Brahmins, or at least Brahmin authors of certain religious texts, thought society should be organized. However these texts provide little evidence of how ancient Indian society actually was organized."
Based on the above refs, what one can tell is: understanding of Caste System in general and the notion of Kshatriya in paticular is based on British colonial & Christian missionaries POV, ideology. This POV traces its roots to ancient Hindu texts written by (some) Brahmins but those texts are theorical ones and do not correspond to historical reality. Regarding Khatriya, in reality, the ruling castes of the Hindu society assumed the function of Kshatriyas. This is how we must define & write the Kshatriya wiki article. Making Kshatriya dependent on the definition given by ancien Hindu texts (written by some Brahmins) is highly misleading & breaking wiki neutrality... But (of course) one must mention it. Ex of how we should, could write to core article of Kshatriya: ... In ancient Hindu texts Kshatriya was defined as... Legendary Kshatriyas were:.... In reality, the Kshatriya varna included the various castes which through the control of land (through military conquest, etc.), undertook the function of rulership & military power. These castes are: Rajputs, Kayasthas, Marathas, Rajus, Reddys, Vellalars, Nairs.


Rajkris (talk) 23:41, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
Discussion still open.Rajkris (talk) 09:44, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Nagavanshi are not one of the Kshatriya Lineages

Many Historians had given only three lineages of Kshatriyas i.e. Suryavanshi,Chandravanshi or Agnivanshi.Even Britishers had accepted these three lineages and written in their books.Great Historians like K.S.Singh also explained three lineages also he had given the statements and also you can see the list of 8 communities which are of Kshatriya Varna.Remember Anthropological Survey also declared three lineages.Nagavanshi is not accepted.Only Chota Nagpur Maharaja is King.No other King existed.And also Kshatriyas will contain gotras named after saptarishis and also other great rishis.You can see the following link for communities of Kshatriya Varna "http://books.google.co.in/books?ei=A0O8UtD5Bo6IiQejnIHQCg&id=1lZuAAAAMAAJ&dq=india%27s+communities&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=kshatriya".Nagavanshi Lineage is not accepted as Kshatriya Lineage and in fact those people tried to assimilate into Kshatriya Varna. Nairs,Bunts,Jats ang Gurjars are considered under Shudra Varna under the time of Britishers.So,Nagavanshi shouldn't appear on this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shvrs (talkcontribs) 12:40, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Your above argument is not valid. Most importantly, you did not tell why the present refs (you have removed) are not valid ones.Rajkris (talk) 19:35, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Mr.Rajkris,the reference 13 is not at all a reliable source,it is neither written by a Great Indian Historian nor a Foreigner and it is not affiliated to Anthropological Survey of India or a Foreign University.It is written by the Local Historian of the area.Also it is a folk story.These are not reliable sources and the source doesn't say that they are Aryans,even that folk story tells that they tried to assimilate into Kshatriya Varna.

Now,coming to the reference 14, it is mentioned that "Amongst the Naga tribes, the king was the ruler as well as the religious-head of his tribe; a system in contrast to the varna system wherein four varnas are separate from each other".The source doesn't mention that they are Kshatriyas of Vedic Lineage or aryan descent.The above statement clearly declares that they are not one of the Kshatriya Lineage and they tried to assimilate into Kshatriya Varna.Then how can this lineage with unreliable sources appear in the page of Kshatriya Lineages according to Aryan Descent according to Manusmriti.

Then,coming to the reference 15,it is complete misinterpretation,it is mentioned that "nagavanshi had marital relations with rajput".It is nowhere mentioned in the source.That reference for the statement is an act of deceiving readers.It is also an unreliable source.

Hence,this Nagavanshi is just added in this page to promote that they are Kshatriyas.But,they are not accepted by the Historians,Britishers,Brahmins and even people. Finally,this Nagavanshi Lineage should be removed from this page and will be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shvrs (talkcontribs) 03:00, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Your arguments against these refs are not valid... And the way you speak about 'Aryan' shows that you are completely outdated in term of history understanding, maturity. Avoid editing or removing with those arguments else you will be banned from wikipedia.Rajkris (talk) 19:22, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

After all Who are you to ban me? Every editor has the equal right to edit the articles with reliable sources and also to challenge & delete the articles with unreliable sources. In this particular page,only three lineages were mentioned after a long time this nagavanshi is added.But no one questioned it.It is unreliable and i will definitely challenge.Then speaking about my knowledge about Aryans,what are you upto ? Then explain about each and every reference why it is reliable and also explain that source did really state those nagavanshi had marital relations with rajput??.It is complete fraud and you have provided that source.I said "sources provided are not reliable".If you can say they are reliable.You please explain them why they are reliable in the talk page. Finally,coming to your words,if you can provide a reference that Nagavanshi is one of the Kshatriya Lineage stated by a source written by Government organization like Anthropological Survey of India or a British Historian or affiliated to a foreign university like the other 3 lineages,then i will accept & i wouldn't interfere any further and also justice will be done to this article and also Nagavanshi can appear in this page. Blindly supporting the wrong statements doesn't make good enough for article.Remember if Nagavanshi still appears in this page with unreliable sources and i will definitely take up the matter to WP:RSN but i won't leave this matter. Finally,Fraud statements will always be challenged and before blaming anyone try to provide reliable sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shvrs (talkcontribs) 07:42, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

You don't have the right to remove refs and adding others without proper justification. What you are doing is POV and so against wiki rules. If you don't agree you must signal in talk page and then report it.Rajkris (talk) 23:37, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Mordern Communities should be added in this page

Like the Brahmins and Vaishyas, state wide Kshatriya castes or list of modern castes of Kshatriyas should be added in this page.Government of India listed Kshatriya castes like Rajput,Rajus etc. should be mentioned in this page.The Government listed Kshatriya Castes as stated by K.S.Singh(1935-2006),Director General of Anthropological Survey of India were totally 8 castes.They were as follows: 1.Rajput. 2.Kshatriya or Raju or Kshatriya Raju(Andhra Pradesh,Tamil Nadu & Karnataka). 3.Raghuvamsi Kshatriya(Karnataka). 4.Kshatriya(Kerala). 5.Koteyar(Tamil nadu,Karnataka). 6.Dhal Kshatriya(Bihar). 7.Aguri(West Bengal). 8.Kshatriya(Orissa & Assam).In all,total 8 communities were listed as Kshatriya Castes by Government of India by the help of Anthropological Survey of India.It was also mentioned in the book "India's Communities" by K.S.Singh,Vol-V,p.1853.You can see this in the following link as follows : http://books.google.co.in/books?ei=A0O8UtD5Bo6IiQejnIHQCg&id=1lZuAAAAMAAJ&dq=india%27s+communities&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=Raghuvamsi

Reverting of edits

"WE do not use such old sources" - Apparently WHOEVER REMOVED the important sources that were given for the historical analytical background for the development of the intricate caste system seems to overlook the fact that these indologists laid the foundation for studying ancient Vedic literature and their insights certainly have value when discussing the theological genesis and evolution of caste. When studying something like the early ideas behind the caste system these primary sources and analyses by mainstream scholars must be incorporated. Therefore I suggest that the sources and edits I made concerning the historical relevance of the terms Kshatriya and the Purusha cult(aka the main ideological cult behind the caste system) be reintroduced.Grathmy (talk) 18:15, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2015

Kshatriya society India

1. Rajput Vans It is very interesting for the current generation to know that your family stream goes back to one Rajput Raja - Lord Emperor. A Rajput vansha tree begins with one of the 36 Rajvansha. Renouned research scholars of our community Late Dr. Indradev Singh Nikumbh and Thakur Ishwarsingh Madadh had published Kshatriya Bhaskar and Rajput Vanshawali after studying different materials on Rajput Vansha. They also included valuable informations by one english scholar Col. Tod. Here we are giving a brief summary of popular vanshas. You can try to search history of your forefathers and to relate your family with appropriate Rajput King.

2.Suryavansha


Badgujar Kshatriya: Gothra - Vashishtha. Ved - Yajurved. Kuldevi - Kalika. From the vansha of Ramchandraji. Branches - Sikarwar, Khadal, Batela, Raghav, Chopra, Bafna etc.

Gyatvanshi Kshatriya: Tirthankar Mahavir was Rajput Kshatriya and belongs to this vansha. He later formed Jain Dharma.

Gour, Goud Kshatriya: Gothra - Bhardwaj. Ved - Yajurved. Devi - Mahakali. Ishta - Hridradev. From the vansha of Lord Raja Jayadrata, Sinhaditya, Laxmanaditya also belongs to this vansha. States - Ajmer, Takshasheela, Awadh, Gohati, Shivgarh. Branches - Amethiya Kshatriya . Total 5 branches. Existed from 1290.

Raikwar Kshatriya: Gothra - Bhardwaj. Ved - Yajurved. King Suval, Shakuni belongs to this vansha. States - Raikagarh near Jammu, Ramnagar, Rampur, Mathura etc. Named Raikwar as they belongs to Raikgarh. This is a branch of Rathor.

Sikarwar Kshatriya: Shikharwal, Sakarwar are the same. Gothra - Bhardwaj. Kuldevi - Durga. Devata - Vishnu. This is a branch of Badgujar. Many kings belongs to this vansha. State - Shikarwar (City). Branches - Kadoliya, Saraswar etc.

Dixit Kshatriya: Dikhit. Gothra - Kashyap. Ved - Samved. Devi - Durga (Chandi). King Durgbhav belongs to this vansha. Samtat Vikramaditya has given them the title of Dixit as they belongs to Dikhitana. Being from the vansha of Raja Durgbhav the are called Durgvanshi. King Udaybhan, Banwarisingh, Gaibarshah also belongs to this vansha. Branches - Durgvanshi, Kinwar. States - Nevnatangarh, Umri, Phulwariya. Dixit surname also comes under Bhumihar caste which is different.

Gohil Kshatriya: Gothra - Kashyap. Ved - Yajurved. Kuldevi - Banamata. Kuldev - Mahadev. Branches - Vajasniya. This is a branch of Gahlod vansh. Maharaja Gohil founded a state at the basin of Luni river which includes 350 villeges with capital Khergarh. State - Sourashtra, Kathiyawarh, Gohilwarh, Bhavnagar, Sihor, Palitana etc. Grahadatta was the first king from Gohin vansha. Great king Shiladitya also belongs to this vansha. This vansha existed from 703. This is a branch of Gahlod.

Suryavanshi Kshatriya: These are Suryavanshi Kshatriya and their kul is also Suryavanshi. Gothra - Bhardwaj, Kashyap, Savanya. Guru - Vashishtha. Ved - Yajurved. King Akaldev, Tilakdev etc. belongs to this vansha. States - Shrinagar and Garhwal.

Singhel Kshatriya: Gothra - Kashyap. Ved - Yajurved. Kuldevi - Kali. State - Sinhalgarh. Being from Sinhalgarh they are called Singhel. Branches - Chhokar, Jadeja, Jaiswal, Khagar, Kharbad. Sub-Branch - Jadoun.

Thakur Kshatriya: Thakur - Thakurai Kshatriya are Suryavanshi. Thakur is their Kul also. Notice: Thakur is not our caste, our caste is Rajput Kshartiya. Thakur is a title given to Rajput Kshatriya. There is also a different caste called thakur.

Nimivanshi Kshatriya: Gothra - Vashishtha. Ved - Yajurved, Gothra - Kashyap. Ved - Samved. This vansha is named after Nimi, son of Maharaja Ishwaku. Branch - Nimodi kshatriya.

Sisodiya Kshatriya (Branch of Gahlod) : Rana Vansha Being from Sisoda village they are called Sisodiya. This is a third branch of historical Gahlod Rajputs. They have same Gothra, Ved, Kuldevi and Isht dev as for Gahlod Vansha. The great heroes from history like Maharana Pratap, Chhatrapati Shivaji belongs to Sisodiya Vansha. State - Udaypur. Ranawat, Chundawat, Sangawat, Meghawat, Jagawat, Shaktawat, Kanhawat etc are included. This is just like Chundawat is a son of Chunda, Shaktawat is a son of Shaktisingh. In Sanskrit, meaning of "wat" is son. The name of Kul begins with the name of Rajput King. The Rajput king who fighted in a battlefield (Ran) has given a title Rana and those who fought greatly were awared with a title Maharana.

Kachhwah Kshatriya: (Kushwah). Gothra - Goutam, Vashishtha, Manavya, Baharspatya. Kuldevi - Durga. Isht - Ramchandraji. From the vansha of Kusha. Famous king Prithviraj belongs to this vansha. They have 21 branches - Narwar, Gwalior, Drawakunda, Majkotiya, Jasrotiya, Jammuwal, Dhar etc. Semi-branches are Shekhawat, Dudhawat, Ratnawat, Rajwat, Bakawat, Pahadi Suryavanshi, Naruka, Jamuwal, Gudwar, Rai Malot, Mounas Kaushik, Manhas, Minhas etc. State - Rohtasgarh, Amer, Jaipur, Amethi, Karmati, Fort of Gwalior. Kings from this vansh are Sumitra, Suryasen, Sawai Jaishingh etc. Their state existed from 1503 to (Sawai Jaisingh) 1930. There are also many branches and sub-branches of this vansha.

Rathor Kshatriya: Gothra - Goutam, Kashyap, Shandilya. Ved - Samved, Yajurved. Devi - Pankhani (Vindhyavasini). Isht - Ramchandraji. Kings belongs to this vansh are Raav Bika (14650, King Jaichand, Veer Durgadas Rathor, Veer Amarsingh Rathor etc. States - Idar, Jodhpur, Marwad, Bikaner, Kishangarh, Kannouj. Having 24 branches and many sub-branches like - Chandawat, Champawat, Jaitawat, Jhabua, Kumpawat, Kailwarh, Raikwarh, Surwarh, Jayas, Kanoujia, Bikawat, Dangi, Kotecha, Kupawat, Jodhawat etc.

Nikumbha Kshatriya: Gotra - Vashishtha, Bhardwaj. Ved - Yajurved. Kuldevi - Kalika. Nikumbha, Sagar, Bhagirath etc. were the kings from this vansha. States - Mandalgarh, Fort of Alwar etc. Branch - Kathariya.

Shrinet Kshatriya: Gothra - Bhardwaj. Ved - Samved. Kuldevi - Chandrika. This is a branch of Nikumbha. Kings from this vansha are Dirghabahu, Bahusuket, Shakun Dev etc. State - Kapilvastu, Shrinagar etc. Narouni Kshatriya is one of its branch. Being originated from Shrinagar they are called Shrinet.

Nagvanshi Kshatriya: Gothra - Kashyap, Shunak. Isht Dev - Nag Devta. Raja Ashwasen, Ritusen belong to this vansha. State - Mathura, Marwad, Kashmir, Chhota Nagpur. Branches - Taank, Katoch, Takshak etc.

Bais Kshatriya: Gothra - Bhardwaj. Kuldevi - Kalika. Ved - Yajurved. Isht Dev - Shivji. First king from this vansha was Harshawardhan. Other kings are Trilokchand, Vikramchand, Kartikchand, Ramchandra, Adharchandra, Narwardhan, Rajyawardhan etc. States - Baiswada, Pratishthanpur etc. Branches - Trilokchandi, Kotbahar, Rawat, Pratishthanpuri, Dodiya, Chandosiya, Kumbhi, Narwariya etc. Being originated from Baiswada they are called Bais.

Bisen Kshatriya: Gothra - Parashar, Bhardwaj, Shandilya, Atri, Vatsya. Ved - Samved. Kuldevi - Durga. Kings from this vansha are Mayurbhatt, Birsen. Vansh Bisen obtain its name from Raja Birsen. States - Bisenvatika, Gorakhpur, Mankapur, Pratapgarh. Branches - Donwar, Bambwar, Bamtola.

Goutam Kshatriya: Gothra - Goutam. Ved - Yajurved. Devi - Durga. Isht Dev - Ramchandraji. This is the vansh who destroyed Shakya Dynesty. Branches - Kandawar, Antoyya, Rawat, Maurya, Goniha. Lord Goutam Buddha was born in this vansha, then after he founded Boudha Dhamma. Mahapurush Dhumraj also belongs to this Vansha. Note: Bhoomihar community also has a caste Goutam which is different.

Raghuvanshi Kshatriya: Gothra - Kashyap, Vashishtha. Ved - Yajurved. This vansha is named after Suryavanshi King Raghu who was born in the 54th generation of King Ishwaku. Raja Raghu was a great warrior, he conqured in all the directions and when he returned to his capital he performed Vishwajeet Yagya and donate all his wealth to the Bramhins. He defeated Kings of Suhadra desh, Bang desh, Basins of Ganga river. He marched towards north by defeating the kings of Durdul and Malay mountains. He destroyed the Hoon Kshatriyas and expanded his regime upto kailash. The history of Raghuwansh is very famous.

Rawat Kshatriya: Gothra - Bhardwaj. Ved - Yajurved. Kuldevi - Chandika. Vethhar is their place of orgin. This is a branch of Bais, and according to Kshatriya Bhaskar this is also a branch of Goutam.

Pundir Kshatriya: Gothra - Pulutsya. Ved - Yajurved. Kuldevi - Dahima. Veer Pundhir was the first king from this vansha. This vansha was very popular during the regime of Prithviraj Chouhan. Kulwal, Kanpuriya and Dhakad are its branches. Pundhir is Suryawanshi Kshatriya, Hrishivanshiya. This is a branch of Dahima Kshatriya. Lahore was their state. Being from the vansha of Punchrik they called Pundhir. Their ansistors ruled on Telangana (Andhra) and their territory was Jasmor. The world famous Shakhumbari Devi Fair is organised in this state. This temple is situeated in the terrains of Shivalik Temple.

Other Suryawanshi Kul Amethiya kshatriya from Amethi, Gohil, Kaktiya, Udmatiya, Madiyar, Chumiyal, Kulwal, Donwar, Dhakar, Maurya, Kakan, Shanguvanshi, Bambobar, Cholavanshi, Pundir, Dogra, Lichhawi etc.

3. Chandravansha

Somvanshi Kshatriya: Gothra - Atri. Ved - Yajurved. Kuldevi - Mahalaxmi. King Lakhansen was one of the king from this vansha. State - Pratapgarh.

Yadav Kshatriya: Gothra - Kondinya. Ved - Yajurved. Guru - Durvasa. Kuldevi - Jogeshwari. Lord Vishnu was born in this vansha. Raja Arjundev was also from this vansha. States - Dwarka, Karoli, Kathiyawara.

Bhati Kshatriya: They are also called as Somvanshi. Somvanshi belongs to the vansha of Pradyumna, elder brother of Lord Krishna. The first king from this vansha was Raja Jaisa Bhati. This brave king was the son of Baland Yadav. Raja Gajsingh, Abhaypal, Prithvipal, Maharawal, Ranjitsingh, Maharawal Shalini Vahan were also the kings from this vansha. State Jaisalmer, Sirmur, Mysore, Karoli, Jaisawat. Branches - Sirmour, Jaiswar, Sarmour, Sirmuria, Kaleria Kshatriya, Jadeja. Rawal Jaisal founded Jaisalmer. The temple, palaces of this city are build from yellow stone. Raja Rawal ruled from 1212.

Jadeja Kshatriya: At some places this vansha is also called as Chudasa. State - Gondal state, Navnagar (Gujarat).

Tanwar/Tomar Kshatriya: Gothra - Gargya. Ved - Yajurved. Kuldevi - Yogeshwari. This is a branch of Yaduvanshi. Sinharaj was the first king from this vansha who ruled from 1013. Angpal and Tungpal were also from this vansha. Tomar vansha begins from Tungpal. He was the son of king Yayati from the vansha of Puru. States - Delhi, Gwalior, Nuspur (Himachal), Paatan (Sikat). Branches - Sub Branches - Beruar, Birwar, Badwar, Katiyar, Katouch, Jinwar, Indoria Kshatriya and Tirota Kshatriya. Indoria Kshatriya has branches - Raikwar, Jaiwar.

Kalchuri Kshatriya: Kalchuriya : This is a Haihya Kshatriya Vansh. Gothra - Krishnatreya, Kashyap. Kuldevi - Durga and Vindhyavasini. Devta - Shivji. Raja Kartvirya was from this vansha. States - Ratanpur, Raipur, Koushal (M.P.) and Mahashati City. The inscription from this vansha are kept in a museum at Nagpur.

Koushik Kshatriya: Gothra - Koushik. Ved - Yajurved. Kuldevi - Yogeshwari. Devta - Shiv. Raja Koushik belongs to this vansha. State - Gorakhpur, Gopalpur.

Sengar Kshatriya: Gothra - Goutam, Shandilya. Ved - Yajurved. Devi - Vindhyavasini. River - Sengar. Kings from this vansha are Chitrarath, Dashrath, Dharmrath. States - Chedipradesh, Dakshinpradesh, Sourashtra, Malwa, Champanagari.

Chandel Kshatriya: Gothra - Chandatreya (Chandrayan), Sheshdhar, Parashar and Goutam is also found. Kuldevi - Maniyadevi. Devta - Hanumanji. Veer Shishupal, Chandrabramha (Chandravarma), Yashovarman was from this vansha. This vansha defined itself. State - Chanderi (Gwalior). Many brave kings were from this vansha. Chandel, Chanderi nagar, Khajuraho Temple, Madan Sagar of Mahoba are the glory symbols of this vansha. The mark of Hanuman was engraved on the coins of Chandel vansha.

Gaherwar Kshatriya: Gothra - Kashyap. Ved - Samved. Devta - Vishnu, Mahadev. State - Kashi and Kashipuri. Kashya, Dinadas, Manikchand were the kings from this vansha. Bundela is a branch of Gaherwar vansha and Bundelkhand is the state of Bundela vansha. Kherwad is the branch of Bundela.

Janwar/Janakwar Kshatriya: Gothra - Koushik. Ved - Yajurved. Kuldevi - Chandika. Research and historical inscription has proved that this vansha belongs to Maharaj Janmejay, grandson of Arjun. States - Chhaoni in Gujarat, Japaner near Nimach and Pawagarh.

Jhala Kshatriya: Gothra - Kashyap. Ved - Samved. Kuldevi - Durga, Mahakali. Isht - Mahadev. Veer Kundmal, Harpal, Vijaypal were from this vansha. States - Kuntalpur, Sekhrigarh, Krantigarh, Bikaner, Kathiyawarh, Jhalawarh, Limdi. When the three prince of Raja Harpal and Rani Shaktidevi were playing, an elephant lifted them. Rani Shaktidev catched them ("Jhel lena" in hindi) in her hands and from then this vansha is named Jhala.

Palwar Kshatriya: Gothra - Vayaghra. Ved - Samved. Dev - Nag. As they lived in Pali village, this vansha is named as Palawar.

Gangavanshi Kshatriya: Gothra - Kanvayan. Ved - Samved. This vansha was named after Raja Gangeya. The famous Jagannath temple at Puri was build by this vansha. This vansha also has its own calender.

Biladariya Kshatriya: Gothra - Atri. Ved - Yajurved. Kuldevi - Yogeshwari. Raja Bhogpal migrated to Biladar and thereafter this vansha comes into existance.

Puruvanshi Kshatriya (Paur): Gothra - Bahryasptya. Ved - Yajurved. Devi - Durga. Devta - Shiv. Paurav (Poras) was the son of King Ila. He fought with Alexander at the basin of river Jhelum. Branch - Bhardwaj.

Khaati Kshatriya: Gothra - Atri, Bhardwaj. Kuldevi - Durga. They are the Kshatriya from Garhwal. Kursela was their state. They are Bihari Kshatriya.

Kanhvanshi Kshatriya: Gothra - Bhardwaj. Ved - Samved. Kanhvansha begins from Raja Kanhsingh. The city of Kanpur is founded by them. Kaithola was their capital. Branch - Kanpuria.

Kuruvanshi Kshatriya: Gothra - Bhardwaj. Ved - Yajurved. Devta - Bandi. Kuruvansha begins fromm Raja Kuru and Yaduvansha begins from Raja Yadu.

Katouch Kshatriya: The fort and temple of Kangra (Himachal) was build by Katouch Kshatriya Vansha. The temple of Ambika devi is situated inside the fort. Branch - Jaswal, Guleria.

Banafar Kshatriya: Gothra - Koundilya, Kashyap. Ved - Yajurved. Kuldevi - Sharda. King Daksharaj and Bachharaj belongs to this vansha. Brave Alha and Udal were their sons also known as Malkhan and Sulkhan respectively. Pathania is their branch.

Bhardwaj Kshatriya: Gothra - Bhardwaj. Ved - Samved. Kuldevi - Sharda. Bhardwaj vansha begins from king Puru.

Sarniha Kshatriya: Gothra - Bhardwaj. Kuldevi - Durga. They belongs to Sarangarh and hence called as Sarniha Kshatriya. Branch - Karmwar/Karamwar.

Drahyavanshi Kshatriya: This vansha begins from Raja Drahayu, the thirt brother of Raja Yadu. Tripura was their capital. This vansha is from Bengal.

Choukatkhamb Kshatriya: This vansha found its name (Choukatkhamb) as the used to break apart the pillars (Khamb) of the Rath of enemy to defeat them. Branch - Bachhil. Note: Gargvanshi, Bachhil, Jadeja, Bundela, Jaiwar, Katiaar etc are also comes in Chandravansha.

4. Agnivansha Parmar Kshatriya: Pramar, Parmar, Pambubar. Gothra - Vashishtha. Ved - Yajurved. Kuldevi - Sinchimaay Mata, Durga in North India, Kali in Ujjain. Their ancient capital was Chandrawati, situated 4 miles away from Abu station. This vansha evolves out from the Agni Kunda of Yagya on the Abu mountain."Parajan Marithi Parmar" means "Vansha which defeats the enemy" hence it is called Parmar. Great Brave king Vikramaditya, Raja Bhoj, Shalinivahan, Gandharwasen were from this vansha. States - Malwa, Dharanagari, Dhar, Devas, Narsinghgarh, Ujjain. Samrat Vikramaditya was also recognised as a great ruler by the muslim community. According to the book Shayar ul Okul at Makab e Sultania, His glory was written on a golden plate kept at Kaba. It is also mentioned in Shayar ul Okul that Khushnuba dhoop was the giving of Vikramaditya. The entire world knows that Shivling and Kutubminar were build in Kaba by Vikramaditya. Parmar Kshatriya has 35 branches which includes Pawar, Baharia, Ujjainia, Bholpuria, Sounthia, Chawda, Sumda, Sankla, Doda, Sodha, Bharsuria, Yashoverma, Jaivarma, Arjunvarma etc. King Umravsingh, Jaiprakashsingh, Babusahabjadasingh were belongs to Ujjaini Kshatriya. The great Kunwarsingh Mahaveer was the son of Babusahabjadasingh.

Solanki Kshatriya: Gothra - Bhardwaj, Manavya, Parashar. Ved - Yajurved. Kuldevi - Kali. In South India they are also known as Chalukya or Choulukya. Kings Prithvidev, Madansingh was from this vansha. Madanakul was build by King Madansingh. King Chandradeep Narayan singh also from this vansha who build an ashram for Mahatma Gandhi on his own land. This ashram is known as Hajipur congress ashram. States - Ayodhya, Kalyan, Andhra, Paatan, Gangatat. Solanki Kshatriya has 16 branches which includes Baghela, Baghel, Solanke, Kataria, Sikharia, Sarakia, Bharsuria, Tantia etc. This vansha is existed from 1079.

Parihar Kshatriya: Gothra - Kashyap. Kuldevi - Chamunda. Isht - Lord Vishnu. The first king from this vansha was Nagbhatta. The great king Harishchandra was also from this vansha. He has two wifes, one was a Brahmin and the other was Kshatriya. States - Kathiwarh, Ayodhya, Kurukshetra to Banaras, Bundelkhand, upto Himachal. This vansha has 19 branches which includes Surawat, Chandrawat, Gajkeshar, Badkeshar, Chandrayan, Kalhansa etc. The state of Kalhansa Kshatriya was at Basti (U.P.). Many kings were born in this vansha. Chopra Kshatriya vansha is also one of its sub-branch. This vansha is existed from 894.

Chouhan Kshatriya: Gothra - Vatsa. Ved - Samved. Kuldevi - Ashipuri. Guru - Vashishtha. Isht - Mahadev. Devta - Shrikrishna. Samrat Prithviraj Chouhan, Lakha (1451) were from this vansha. States - Bundi, Kota, Sirohi, Asthir. Delhi, Ajmer, Bhadoch, Dholpur was also come under their regime. They build beautiful lakes. Samrat Prithviraj Chouhan defeated Mohammad Ghori several times and forgive him later 16 times. The coward Mohammad Ghori deceitfully arrested Prithviraj Chouhan and take out both his eyes. Like Arjun, Prithviraj Chouhan was very fluent in his verbal approach. There are many other kings also belongs to this vansha. Chouhan Kshatriya Vansha has 25 branches, sub-branches includes Hada, Khinchi, Bhadoria, Songar, Songara, Devra, Rajkumar, Sambharia, Gadharia, Bhurecha, Balecha, Tassera, Chachera, Bhawar, Bankat, Bhople etc. Chouhan vansha existed from 1067.

Hada Kshatriya: Gothra - Vatsa. Devi - Ashapuri. Guru - Vashishtha. Ved - Samved. King Maniklal was from Hada vansha. One of the famous personality from this vansha is Ramdeva. Hada Kshatriya Vansha is also popularly known as Hadouti. States - Bundi, Kota. There is a history of Brave Hada Rani. Branches - Udawat, Devra, Devre, Jaitawat, Chandrawat.

Songira Kshatriya: Gothra - Vatsa. Kuldevi - Chandi. Ved - Samved. King Kirtipal, Samarsingh, Udaysingh, Samantsingh, Kanhdev, Maldev belongs to this vansha. The fort of Jalor was captured by this vansha. The mother of Maharana Pratap was from this vansha. Branch - Bhadoria. Songira Kshatriya is a branch of Chouhan Kshatriya.

Baghel Kshatriya: Baghela/Baaghela. Gothra - Bhardwaj, Kashyap. Ved - Yajurved. Devi - Kali. This vansha derive its name from their ancistor Vyaghradev. Many brave perfonalities were born in this vansha. State - Madarv, Pandu, Pothapur, Nayagarh, Ranpura etc. This is a branch of Solanki. Branch of Baghel Kshatriya is Pawar.

Bhadoria Kshatriya: Gothra etc. are the same as that of Chouhan Kshatriya. They ruled on Bhadawar and hence named as Bhadoria. This is a branch of Songara.

Bachgoti Chouhan Kshatriya: They derived mis-spelled name from Vatsa Gotri and called themselves as Bachgoti Kshatriya. Rajkumar and Rajwar are their branches.

Khinchi Kshatriya: Gothra - Vatsa and Goutam is also found. Ved - Samved. Devi - Bhagwati. Kings Bhagwatrai, Gugalsingh and Jaisingh were from this vansha. Khinchipur was their state. Raja Bhagwatrai has translated 7 stories of Ramayana into poems very beautifully. He has also written Hanuman Pachhisi. This is a branch of Chouhan Kshatriya.

Dogra Kshatriya: They are the natives of Kashmir. Gothra - Kashyap. States - Jammu, Balia.

Other Vansha (Kul): Negi Kshatriya, Katnaas etc. are also Agnivanshi Kshatriya. ReeRaikwar (talk) 05:00, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 12:17, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Bearing arms

I've just removed a claim that only the kshatriya could bear arms. Brahmins, such as the Chitpavan did this, and so too did Shudras, such as the Nair. The source may be otherwise reliable but it is generalising far too much on this point. - Sitush (talk) 05:40, 10 June 2015 (UTC)