Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Education
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Nomination of Établissement public à caractère administratif for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Établissement public à caractère administratif is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
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Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. 184.108.40.206 (talk) 19:35, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
I have been spending some time looking at the Democratic Education entry, and have altered the introductory section and added some schools to the list of democratic schools and removed some others. I would now like to completely rewrite the history section. I have been asking the advice of friends, but would such a wholesale alteration be acceptable wiki practice? It also seems to me that the section on Governance refers only to Sudbury Schools and not to democratic schools in general. Would it be in order to remove this section altogether? I have more questions, but answers to these two would be a good start. Elbbirg (talk) 16:54, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of Fabrice Bardeche
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A discussion is taking place at Talk:University of California, Riverside about whether to include James Eagan Holmes (the Aurora, CO, shooter) in the University_of_California,_Riverside#Alumni subsection. Interested Project members are invited to comment. --S. Rich (talk) 18:45, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
DIBELS test article
This article on the DIBELS test is a bit of a unencyclopaedic mess. It's been the subject of both drive-by attacks by anti-testing people and spin-doctoring by what appear to have been DIBELS spokespeople.
Could some knowledgeable editors take a look and see if they can improve this article? I gather this is an important educational test in the U.S., so we need a good article.
A discussion about criticisms of higher education accreditation is now underway at Talk:Higher education accreditation in the United States. Interested Project members are invited to join in.--S. Rich (talk) 01:38, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
Someone is changing the more objective (but longer) "Alumni of X" into "X Alumni", I suppose because it is shorter and simpler. This suggests changes to other categories, not only in the education field but other areas where such a change is not objective. I would rather keep it here and not have to be concerned about the "other" changes later. The original naming style does not lend itself to pov interpretations as easily as the second (newer) one. Student7 (talk) 19:53, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
- I don't understand the misinterpretation. It's grammatically less favorable (compare "Women of America" and "America women"), but I don't see any change in meaning. "Students of This University" and "This University's students" are identical in meaning, regardless of whether we're talking about former, current or future students. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:19, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry but I, too, don't understand the misinterpretation or the POV danger. "Alumni of X" does seem a bit clearer but I don't see a POV problem with "X Alumni."
- Have you been able to engage the other editor(s) in discussion about these contested changes? ElKevbo (talk) 03:45, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
- There are several reasons:
- 1) the category will alphabetize under the higher level category "alumni" instead of the lower level "school name".
- 2) Automatically avoids the odd sounding "Colorado School of Mining and Agriculture and Business Alumni." The first word is always "alumni", the modifier is the school name, however long and complex it may be.
- 3) My real reason (!) is to force objectivity into all categories through consistent usage. Here is an example: we now have the category "fraudster" a Brit term, which sounds slangy, and maybe even silly, in American. Instead of pov labeling, this clearly should be "People convicted of fraud." Someone who couldn't insert his pov into the article, manages to force it into a category! Using the longer version is not only more accurate and avoids labeling, and is therefore "automatically" npov.
- Changes, IMO, should be discussed at this level. Student7 (talk) 23:34, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
- Okay, let's try this again. You assert that "Foo alumni" is less objective than "Alumni of Foo". Please tell me what is less objective about this formulation. Note: Don't tell me what's less objective about some utterly unrelated category. Tell me what's allegedly less objective abut this name. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
I am going to expand and revise upon the Wikipedia article “Racial achievement gap in the United States”. I will specifically be focusing on the implications of the achievement gap and the history of education reform and the institutions that attempt to narrow the educational achievement gap. This topic is important because even though education is a basic right to all citizens in the United States, throughout the years research and data has shown large differences in success rates between students within the educational system in the United States. As the United States’ economy has shifted away from manufacturing and towards a more knowledge-based economy, education has become an increasing more important determinate of economic success and prosperity. Therefore, it is important to expand upon this topic and provide more information on the implications and various tactics for narrowing this gap so that the United States can assess and revise the educational system to better serve all students. I plan to draw on many academic journals, especially educational and sociological. This includes works from Ruth Turley and Adam Gamoran, Wendy Schwartz, James Ainsworth, Abhijit V. Banerjee and Esther Duflo, Cynthia Prince, and the research from Society for Research on Educational Effectiveness (SREE). I would appreciate any comments or feedback.
- I'd suggest that you include some of the work by Ronald Ferguson (economist) as well. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:32, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
Besides being rated poorly by Wikipedia standards while also missing substantial amounts of important information, the importance of the subject matter in the “Racial Achievement Gap in the United States” article merit its expansion. I believe racial inequality – specifically educational racial inequality – to be an important American social issue. For decades, White and Asian American students have systematically outperformed Black and Hispanic students. Why is this the case? What factors contribute to this gap? What interventions effectively close the gap? Should interventions even be pursued? The answers to these questions are not only important for understanding educational achievement gains. Specifically, the racial achievement gap ultimately affects what type of jobs students pursue, how much money they earn, and whether or not they become productive citizens contributing to the American and global economies. Analyzing and understanding the racial achievement gap allows administrators and policy makers to effectively evaluate public school systems. Martha Nussbaum’s (2011) Capabilities Approach includes “asking not just about the total or average well-being but about the opportunities available to each person”(Nussbaum 2011:18). Thus, one must question and investigate whether or not the lack of educational opportunities contribute to these achievement gaps and ultimately limit the students’ human capabilities. In order to provide the most relevant and neutral information on this topic, I will be specifically be using research conclusions from Rumberger (2010), No Longer Separate Not Yet Equal, Heckman and LaFontaine (2010), and a variety of other sociological sources. Any feedback or comments would be greatly appreciated!
- One way to approach it is to consider the elements that lead to achievement, which are generally taken to be self-restraint (see the Marshmallow Test), resilience, motivation, and IQ. Poverty and home problems tend to harm the first items. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:36, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
- You might also like to look at some of the sources discussed at http://www.freakonomics.com/2012/10/10/how-crack-cocaine-widened-the-black-white-education-gap WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:46, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
One of the goals of the Education WikiProject is to identify articles dealing with education in need of improvement and improve them. An article that I have identified is the page on “School Meals in the United States.” This topic is important because providing meals in schools has far-reaching implications for educational success of students’ from lower socio-economic backgrounds, with the goal being to elevate educational achievement and eventually narrow existing income and social inequalities in the United States. The “School Meals in the United States” article has some good substance to that I can work with, but requires extensive expansion to more properly address the ways in which school meals are important for approaching issues of poverty and social inequality, as well as overall academic success. I plan on revising the existing sections of the article, as they provide some good information, but could include more detail. For instance, the lead section should be expanded to give insight as to why school meal programs are implemented and why it’s important that they are provided. I will add sections that delve more into the topic of children’s food security, and how schools are used to attack this problem. Further, I plan on going into detail on numerous school meal programs that are successful, as well as those that have failed. Additionally, I will provide a section on the perceived issues of these meal programs and expand on solutions that have been provided to alleviate these problems. The sources I will draw from include scholarly articles on meal programs, articles about specific meal programs, and books that detail food programs in the U.S. I ask for feedback from fellow users. Are there any comments on what I have planned? Are there any ways in which I can further improve my plans for revision? Moreover, are there any ways in which I can improve the organization of the article? Thank you, (Heidimkahle (talk) 21:31, 3 October 2012 (UTC))
- Your goal of describing "why it's important" makes me concerned that you are planning an advocacy pieve rather than a dispassionate encyclopedia article.
- I think you might want to include a brief mention of schools providing too few calories (due to worries about obesity, but leaving kids hungry), the few schools that banned lunch from home, the challenges of food allergies, and what happens when you make breakfast free. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:54, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
The Digital divide in the United States page thus far has lots of good statistical data on indicators for a digital divide in the United States so far. However, some characteristics described are not well defined if at all, such as the the term "Digital Society" and "Digital Literacy" (this topic especially applies to this WikiProject). I am aiming to develop definitions for these terms based from publications related to these topics and possibly developing other sections further with more recent data and constructing sentences to create paragraphs using the existing data to develop a way to read the article as an article and not just a list of bullet points. I will start looking at the following pages for helpful information and anyone here can help, please do. Thanks.
Is There an Information Literacy Skills Gap to Be Bridged? An Examination of Faculty Perceptions and Activities Relating to Information Literacy in the United States and England - College & Research Libraries 2010
Internet Usage Statistic: How We Spend Out Time Online (INFOGRAPHIC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adrpibgal (talk • contribs) 04:44, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
I am interested in revising the entry “Education in Haiti.” It is clearly evident that the “Education in Haiti” article exemplifies a poor quality article by the standards set out by Wikipedia. Many sections of the article make very few references and make many claims without supportive citations. I wish to add more content to the page. With an increase in the content on the page, the quality of the article will improve dramatically. I feel as if many aspects of the topic are missing such as the privatization of education, access and equity, funding, recent reforms and effects of the 2010 Earthquake on education, etc.
I will be exploring suitable references by exploring these journals: The Journal of Comparative Education, The Journal of Negro History, The Caribbean Quarterly, and Comparative Education Review. I will also explore articles from the World Bank, as well as official government documentation about education from the Haitian Government’s Ministry of Education.
I would appreciate any feedback that will help me on my quest to revise this entry. Any suggestions on possible difficulties or certain references to explore, or general comments about possible sections that should be included in the revised entry would be greatly appreciated.
- That article definitely needs improvement. There are articles on the French and Portuguese Wikipedias about this subject. (The links are on the side of the page; see fr:Système éducatif d'Haïti for the French page.) Neither are very good, but it is possible that you would find some information there. Good luck, WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:03, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
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00:00, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
As an update, we are now forging ahead; we will be launching our first in-person Wikipedia trainings (and welcome virtual participation) next week at the Open Education conference in Vancouver.
Since there was no response here, we decided to remove the pages from this WikiProject's pages, and set it up separate from the WikiProject. This is not intended as a final decision; obviously there will be strong overlap in people's interest with this WikiProject, and also with WP:OPENACCESS and perhaps others.
So I'd like to invite anybody here to join our team; it would be great to have more experienced Wikipedians in the early stages, of course anybody interested in and/or knowledgeable about education. Also, if you have thoughts about how the projects can work together, please let me know; perhaps on my own talk page for now, as too much meta-talk might be a little confusing to newbies in the early strages! -Pete (talk) 21:41, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
Hi! I am Iw2es333 and I am planning to start a stub on food poisoning. I am particularily interested in speaking of food adulteration, fertilization forms,and foodborne pathogens like Salmonella. I still have to put my stub for approval, but I hope that many of you can contribute. Thank you!
Here is what the stub would look like. I still have to put in more references:
Death in the Pot: The Impact of Food Poisoning on History is a book published in New York in 2007 by Prometheus Books. The book is written by Morton Satin, a microbiologist who worked in the food industry.
The book offers a historical lens through which to view food poisoning. It explains the early forms of food preservation, and diet; and it alludes to historical records on the issues that arose from lack of sanitation, from globalization, and from human behavior throughout history.
Part I. The Ancient World
· Chapter 1: The Hebrews and Egyptians (4000 BCE-100CE)
· Chapter 2: The Greeks and Romans 1200 BCE-500CE
Part II. The Middle Ages
· Chapter 3: The Middle Ages (500-1500CE)
Part III. Early Modern Times
· Chapter 4: The Renaissance and the Enlightenment (1300-1750 CE)
Part IV. The Modern Era
· Chapter 5: The Industrial Revolution (1750-1900 CE)
· Chapter 6: Modern Times (1900 CE-Present Day)
The chapter initiates discourse on the developing food production industry in the 12th century and how it facilitated the growth of mass production. Mass production caused food prices to decline, thus enabling a growing commercial economy. (cite).
Governments throughout history have enacted laws to protect consumers from fraudulent food sellers. One way that merchants in tricked consumers in the middle ages was by putting chalk or white ash into white flour. (cite). Chalk and white ash could easily blend in with white flour and become invisible to the naked eye. This was considered food adulteration. (cite Wikipedia or dictionary for term).
Hello everyone, I have proposed a merge of CATESOL into Teachers of English to Speakers of Other Languages if anyone is interested in commenting. The discussion is over at Talk:Teachers of English to Speakers of Other Languages. Thanks — Mr. Stradivarius on tour (have a chat) 00:50, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
A Request for comment is taking place at Talk:Education of the deaf
It is interesting to me that the United States used to be the highest in education standards but now it isn't even part of the top 10. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 15:36, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
- I'm not sure that the USA was ever the highest in education standards, or at least not since the early colonial days (when it might have been the "highest" only because the girls had an equal opportunity to learn how to read, too, which wasn't common elsewhere). WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:50, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Merging the articles Applied behavior analysis and Behavior modification
I wanted input back on merging the articles ABA and Behavior mod., as the former is a new term for the latter.
See here: Talk:Applied_behavior_analysis#Merging_the_articles_Applied_behavior_analysis_and_Behavior_modification.
ATC . Talk 04:49, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- I found a journal explaining the controversy over the terms. See here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2223172/. It states as follows: "A New Science? [section] Perhaps there is a tendency to draw pejorative contrasts between PBS and ABA in order to bolster claims about the status of PBS as a new and distinct science or discipline (e.g., Bambara et al., 1994; E. Carr, 1997; E. Carr et al., 2002; Knoster et al., 2003; Sisson, 1992). There may be disagreement among PBS leaders on this point. On the one hand, for example, Horner (2000) stated that 'Positive behavior support is not a new approach. … [It is] the application of behavior analysis to the social problems created by such behaviors as self-injury' (p. 97). He further stated, 'There is no difference in theory or science between positive behavior support and behavior modification. These are the same approach with different names. If any difference exists, it is in the acceptance [by PBS] of much larger outcomes and the need to deliver the global technology that will deliver these outcomes' (p. 99). Other writers have referred to PBS as an 'extension' of applied behavior analysis (e.g., Turnbull et al., 2002, p. 377)." ATC . Talk 23:34, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
- That sounds like a good idea, but the first link might not count as a reliable source and the second source is a primary source, so isn't suitable to prove the notability of the subject. Are you aware of any secondary sources that have been published about it (for example in newspapers, books, or academic journals)? Best — Mr. Stradivarius on tour ♪ talk ♪ 06:07, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Schola Latina Universalis is a discussion regarding the possible deletion of Schola Latina Universalis, and on-line school teaching Contemporary Latin. The discussion has so far received only one comment (from me; I recommended deleting the article). Participants in this WikiProject may be interested to share their opinions on the matter. Cnilep (talk) 04:16, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
Proposed merge of Institute of Modern Languages (Queensland)
I have just proposed that the new article Institute of Modern Languages (Queensland) be merged with the main article University of Queensland. If you are interested, I would be very grateful if you could comment on the merge proposal over at Talk:University of Queensland. Best regards — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 15:09, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
In hopes of expanding the depth and legitimacy of Wikipedia, I would like to further develop the article entitled “Emotional Labor.” I would like to add research-based conclusions from sociological research journals, such as work completed by Arlie Hochschild and R. Leidner. Along with adding research-based conclusions, I would also like to connect these theoretical concepts to specific examples of emotional labor with the current labor market. Besides having mediocre ratings based on Wikipedia standards while also missing substantial amounts of important information, the importance of the article’s subject matter merits its expansion. Most people hope to be an effective and successful member of the workforce. However, being an effective member of the workforce does not only require having the necessary individual qualifications. Success also requires understanding how the workforce operates as an institution. The concept of emotional labor is a theoretical concept first theorized by Arlie Hochschild that brings a specific and important understanding of the workforce to light. Specifically, as the American economy shifts from a manufacturing to a service economy, control of one’s emotions based on companies’ standards have become so important that emotions have become a commodity in and of themselves. Essentially, I think understanding how emotional labor works ultimately leads to a better understanding of the labor force more generally. I would greatly appreciate any feedback or suggestions on any potentially useful resources.
I have recently joined the Education Wikiproject because its aims to develop and standardize content related to education. I plan to write a new entry entitled "School Feeding in Low-Income Countries," as I have identified the need for a comprehensive overview of school feeding in developing nations. There are existing pages on "School Meals in the United States," but my proposed article is different because it would focus on the programs that are set up in low-income countries by international organizations and NGOs for all children in a country or area, as opposed to national governments that set up similar programs with a specific socio-economic class requirement. Such low-income country school feeding programs are crucial to improving global education levels, as they provide incentives for families to send their children to school, especially girls. Some existing entries mention the general concept of school feeding in low-income countries, but do not offer a comprehensive overview of what this type of school feeding is and how it can positively impact the education status (and therefore development) of both individuals and a country as a whole. I plan to examine what school feeding is, what organizations are involved with it, what benefits, drawbacks, and challenges exists, and provide an overview of some selected countries’ school feeding programs. There is a great deal of scholarly research that has been done on school feeding in recent years, and I feel that I can provide many of the legitimate, research-backed approaches to school feeding and educational achievement in low-income countries. I would like to ask for feedback from fellow Wikipedia users and Wikiproject members. Do you think that such an article would be useful, and if so, are there any ways that you think I can improve my plan to create a new entry? Thank you so much! Laurenpedia (talk) 18:07, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
I am currently a student at Rice University in the program for Poverty, Justice, and Human Capabilities. I am seeking to create a new article discussing female education in south Sudan. The only information available at the present on Wikipedia are small snippets from several different pages related to Sudan, but there is no focus on the gender disparity in education. This issue has gained a good deal of international attention from the United Nations and NGOs in recent years, and it would be beneficial to have a page dedicated to this topic, so that interested parties could access all relevant information in a single place. If there is anyone who is interested in this issue and would like to provide feedback, please contact me through my talk page.
As a side-effect of something else I was doing, I found myself with a list of ~5000 categories to which articles had been assigned but the categories did not exist, it's probably about 15% of the total red-link categories. It was easy enough to apply a few crude filters to them to split out a few hundred relevant to this Project, many of them alumni and faculty ones. Some of them need bringing in line with Wikipedia standard formats, some of them are probably too detailed, some might need some Project discussion about what standard format should be applied - but they could all do with eyeballs from several people, particularly ones who know more about US colleges than I do!!! The list is at User:Le_Deluge/categories-education - feel free to hack it about how you want, it was just thrown together for convenience. Le Deluge (talk) 23:49, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
While looking for a general history and evolution of learning standards, and a treatment of their purposes within society, I found that the Wikipedia page on the same Learning Standards is sparse and out-of-date. I'll be jumping in to make revisions and edits over the next few weeks & plan to have a solid update in place by April 2012... if you have questions or are also interested to help out, please get in touch via my talk page.
Hi, I'm looking for help with a request for the Common Core State Standards Initiative article and this WikiProject was listed on the article's talk page. I've written a replacement for the Criticism section of the article and the request on the talk page explains the issues with the current section. So far this has been reviewed and approved by one editor, however I'd like another editor to review the draft before it's moved into the article. I am also looking for someone to make the actual edit: I have used an source published by my employer, The Heritage Foundation, so I would prefer not to make the edit myself. Thanks! Thurmant (talk) 19:52, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
- The editor responded that he doesn't remember why. Removing for now, feel free to revert if need be czar · · 20:10, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
I've created the new article, Urofsky v. Gilmore. Suggestions for additional secondary sources would be appreciated, at the article's talk page, Talk:Urofsky v. Gilmore. — Cirt (talk) 05:32, 8 May 2013 (UTC)